Friday, January 26, 2024

A few observations from the special session to remove River East from membership in the Mennonite Brethren Church of Manitoba

 

(I wasn't at the special session where the vote was taken to remove River East from membership in Mennonite Brethren Church Manitoba. The following is taken from notes about the event.)

In 2023, when the Mennonite Brethren Church of Manitoba voted to remove Jubilee Mennonite from membership, the vote was 74.2% in favour. When River East was voted out, the vote was 83.3%. 

Noting the vote difference, someone asked me: What happened? Why was it higher this time, despite River East’s efforts to share its story and its biblical and theology rationale for inclusivity? 

The short answer is: I don’t know. But I have a few ideas. 

One reason for the change is River East members were not allowed to vote at the special session. That removed as many as 15 votes. But that still wouldn’t have made a huge difference. (79.5%) 

Another reason might have been the presence of large numbers of members from ethnic churches—Chinese, Eritrean, Congolese and others. 

I was told there were more delegates from these churches at the special session than at the March annual assembly where Jubilee was voted out. (But I can’t independently verify that.) 

That would have meant more people at the special session to vote in favour of the resolution. 

One thing that was clear from the comments by delegates from those churches was they were in favour of removing River East. 

Those who spoke talked about the need to “stay true” to the Bible and resist culture, citing Bible verses opposing same-sex relations. 

But they had an impact beyond the meeting itself. 

Prior to the session, MBCM sent delegates a document containing comments from leaders of these churches—comments where they made their opposition to inclusivity very clear. 

A few examples of what they said: 

“To our culture, same-sex marriage is nonsensical, it’s an attack against creation.” 

“We are subject to Jesus and His Word, not culture. God’s word is unchangeable.” 

“This is a time to stand, unite and face societal pressure with the truth. We face an effort to erase Christianity.” 

“We are in total agreement with MBCM leadership. We must obey the Word. We must go back to Biblical clarity, same-sex marriage is wrong. REC has chosen their own path.” 

“There are different conferences. REC wants to change the conference from the inside. REC is coming up with something new.” 

”Let’s not worry about the few that might leave because of our determination to stand on truth and walk the narrow path.” 

“Discipline leaders who compromise the confession. We need discipline to prevent decline.” 

It's possible comments like that helped sway how some voted.

Along with that, there was the threat these churches would leave MBCM if River East was allowed to stay.

Commenting on what he heard while interacting with ethnic church leaders, Jason Dyck, Director of Church Ministries, said: 

“There were certainly themes in common within these conversations. One stood out to me, and when I heard it repeated in my first and second conversations, I tested this to see if it was a commonly felt experience. It was. I did not prime this statement; it was offered in each conversation.” 

He then shared that statement: 

“If MBCM has room for a church who embraces same-sex marriage, in theology and practice, MBCM will not have room for us.” 

If that was true, it could have meant the loss of between 8 to 10 churches—something that would have weighed on the minds of some delegates.

(There were rumours that some other churches planned to leave, as well, if River East was not removed; the number is unknown.) 

Another reason for how the vote came down is it was made clear by MBCM that delegates were not to vote as individuals—but as representatives of their churches. 

As the Conference put it: Delegates to the special session were to be people “appointed by their church leadership who have been chosen to represent the church as a whole.” 

I know at least three churches had meetings to discuss how to vote. I expect others did, too. 

That’s why at the session one Winnipeg church noted their congregation was divided over the resolution. For that reason, they announced they had decided to grant them freedom to vote “their consciences.” 

Also, one or two people who spoke indicated they were sharing as individuals, not as representatives of their churches. 

Another reason for the increase might have been how delegates were prevented from hearing River East’s story. 

On January 14 the church held a meeting to share the story of its biblical and theological foundations for inclusion. 

The church asked MBCM to send an announcement about that event to all of its member churches so delegates to the special session could vote with all the relevant information about River East’s decision in hand. 

I'm told MBCM decided against sharing that information and the link to the event. 

As a result, delegates did not get an opportunity to hear River East's rationale, with the result that some—many?—of them would have gone into the meeting without the full story from the church. 

They would have cast their votes without having access to River East’s rationale for why it made its decision to be inclusive.

Perhaps it might not have made any difference, anyway. But we will never know. 

If you attended the special session, do you have thoughts about the vote? Share about it in the comments.

8 comments:

  1. Perhaps, over the intervening time, people who are affirming LGBTQ+, have gotten the message and left MBCM, leaving those that don’t.

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  2. I was there. I have a few thoughts about the process.

    We were repeatedly asked to "speak to the motion" and not to the theology. While this was broadly adhered to, some did get their "theology" points in - both to affirm REC and point to its removal. Overall though we were steered away from debating the merits of REC's or the Provincial Faith and Life Team's (PFLT) arguments. Personally I felt the PFLT and the MBCM leadership board's perspective document both needed strong critique. I would have had a minimum of 20 critical points, some quite substantive to their .argument That clearly was not something MBCM wanted to engage with.

    I thought too late about the constitution. It calls for a church facing suspension and dismissal the chance to make its case to "the MB Conference." Is the "Conference" the leadership board or is it the assembled delegates? The board is "conference in interim" but when the delegates meet they are the ones voting, and should be the ones given adequate representation of the church's position before voting. But the delegates got neither REC's full argument, nor the chance to debate the merits of REC's argument vis a vis MBCM's critiques. I'd bet the farm that a good number of delegates had not even read the materials enough to compare REC's argument with MBCM's argument. Yet we all got to vote.

    Was MBCM un-constitutional in its process? I think so.
    But 83% of "the conference" won't care in the slightest.

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  3. "Is the "Conference" the leadership board or is it the assembled delegates?"
    This is an important question not only for the vote on Jan 20 and the previous vote in March but also on the theological question over which these congregations have been removed. Is it the leadership boards who decide what is open for discussion? Is the conference not all of us, and if so, should REC's plea for a conversation not have been heeded? We know that there are other congregations (as a whole) eager to have such a conversations and many quiet individuals in other congregations who also would welcome it.
    In one thing after another, MBs who have never really been very Mennonite theologically, are drifting away from a church rooted in Anabaptist theology and practice.
    Maybe it's time for a name change conversation, not because "brethren" is offensive (which it is) or because "Mennonite" makes people think of a cult (which for MBs is maybe closer to the truth than is comfortable), but because "Mennonite" is simply not accurate for the priorities MB leadership currently have.

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  4. As a Chinese Canadian Anabaptist with relationships across Mennonite denominations, I long for a time when the rejecting stances of Chinese Canadian churches aren't used as a strike against churches moving in affirming directions. There are so many layers to the rejecting stances of Chinese Canadian churches that beg serious unpacking *on their own* before even considering how they intersect with wider denominational decisions.

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  5. The fact that 80% of the comments above are posted anonymously should be as great a concern about the future of the MB Conference as this particular flash point.

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    1. True. I'm assuming you are suggesting that a lot of people aren't finding a safe space to share within the broader MB Conference. Either way, there are many different reasons why people including myself would choose to post anonymously and this allows our voices to be heard as well. I have also found that I really enjoy reading the anonymous posts because that allows me to just think about the ideas presented without having to also spend time thinking about whether I know the person posting - it's nice to be able to just evaluate the ideas on their own merit.

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  6. What other churches have discovered is that, on this issue, the cake is already baked. Here is CRCNA pastor and self-described "moderate who hit pause" Paul Vander Klay on what happened in that denomination and why. https://youtu.be/i4DOttHGWxo?si=YVqNKNnRT8orURb0&t=1130

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    1. In the video that is linked above, it is helpful to see another christian denomination also demonstrate how religious groups close down conversation -“the cake is baked”. Must be something about the human condition. Because the LGBTQ+ issue has been dealt with by church leaders through the dualism of conservative vs progressive they have no ability to discuss the issue and are piously proud of their defence of the faith. Church conferences or any other small or large group (as big as political parties or countries) that can only think and act in opposites have no difficulty in finding the categories that buttress their own self justification and dole out their religiously justified violence. It is the path of least resistance. It is humanity at its core. Nothing new here. Some read the Bible and Jesus’ life differently than as a primer for defending the self. If the only way one can interact with that difference is by labelling and expulsion there is little interacting going on and little need for it (“the cake is baked”), as the MB conference actions are a witness to. Religious language is simply an attempted cover for their failure.

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Update on this blog: Time for a pause